tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5840334769821430599.post8698989199497730698..comments2023-10-09T05:34:13.312-05:00Comments on Haz Mace, Will Raid: The Death of the 25-Man?Antigenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13230009904320744879noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5840334769821430599.post-87425240524559919922010-04-27T08:16:50.796-05:002010-04-27T08:16:50.796-05:00> I would simply argue that 25m's are more ...> I would simply argue that 25m's are more difficult in their execution, and therefore necessitate greater rewards for their completion<br /><br />Success should be the ultimate reward.<br /><br />And I'm really not convinced 25m are more difficult in execution. The only drawback of 25 is that the fight place has the same size.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5840334769821430599.post-51993185036040765582010-04-26T17:37:57.851-05:002010-04-26T17:37:57.851-05:00@Hatch: I'm not contending that they want to k...@Hatch: I'm not contending that they <i>want</i> to kill 25m's, but nobody is perfect; Blizzard has botched things up before and, being human, they will probably make more mistakes in Cataclysm and beyond (I'd argue that making mistakes is part of the human condition, but that's more philosophical than we need to get into right now). <br /><br />It's been my experience that 25m's run a lot less smoothly than 10m's; I'm sure others have noticed this as well, and there are different points of view as to why. So as for 25m's being quicker for gearing and progression... I guess that depends on your raid set-up. All things being equal, however, 25m's would indeed be better, you are correct.<br /><br />My problem, however, is with 10m's sharing a loot table. I'm not saying 10m raiders don't work as hard as 25m raiders, and thus don't deserve better loot; I would simply argue that 25m's are more difficult in their execution, and therefore necessitate greater rewards for their completion; not just to compensate raiders for their time and effort, but in order to match greater challenges when the time comes.<br /><br />I guess what I'm not seeing is the problem with the loot difference between 10m's and 25m's as they are, which I presume is the reason behind the proposed shared loot table. If a guild is a strict 10m raiding guild, then they should be able to run all the 10m content their hearts desire using their 10m gear. If current game mechanics prevent that, then that's Blizzard's problem and they should fix it. If they have problems with 25m raiders rolling back and rofl-stomping 10m raids, then they could easily put gear level restrictions on progression raid instances (especially heroic versions), as seen in the achievements "A Tribute to Dedicated Insanity" and "Herald of the Titans."<br /><br />To be honest, this could just be Blizzard easing up on their programmers and designers; with 5 more levels of quest rewards and instance drops, I imagine I'd be hard-pressed to retain enough creativity to develop different items for both raid difficulties, not to mention normal AND heroic versions of each.<br /><br />Time will tell, I suppose.Antigenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13230009904320744879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5840334769821430599.post-53998008203736468162010-04-26T13:26:20.069-05:002010-04-26T13:26:20.069-05:00The idea is that 25s would be the way to maximize ...The idea is that 25s would be the way to maximize both progression and gearing. They don't want to kill 25s. They WILL drop more items per person than 10s, as was clearly stated in the blue post. If 10s drop 2 items, and 25s drop 8-9 (plus more gold, craftables, and even *emblems*), then raiding 25s is vastly more efficient for progression and actually (I know this is counter-intuitive to how raids work now) make you more likely to get the upgrades you personally want.<br /><br />I know that's speculation, but does anyone really believe Blizzard a) wants to kill 25s or b) is so stupid that they'd inadvertently kill them?Hatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03615033343005638291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5840334769821430599.post-23847238549971683022010-04-26T13:19:12.848-05:002010-04-26T13:19:12.848-05:00I can see the reasoning behind your concerns about...I can see the reasoning behind your concerns about the system, and I think you and I have the same feeling about 10s vs 25s (we both like 10s more it seems). If people end up leaving 25man guilds for smaller ones, then, like that person on Twitter who I stole this quote from said "there were never doing 25s for the right reason."Rhidachhttp://rhida.chnoreply@blogger.com